I'm twice defeated. I really really need something to read.
I abandoned A Million Little Pieces. Man, did that book suck! It’s about a guy who keeps throwing up and fighting with people. Now, I’m quitting Atlas Shrugged, despite a good start.
I had forgotten: The Fountainhead had profoundly influenced the way I thought as a teenager. I read it in school at the age of 16. The Ayn Rand Institute gives free copies to high school teachers as a way to keep Rand’s philosophy top of mind. I thought it was interesting when I read this NYtimes article: that the writer hadn’t connected the lead paragraph which says Atlas Shrugged ranks 388 on the Amazon best seller list with a much lower paragraph which states that the ARI buys and distributes 400,000 copies each year. 400,000 copies would certainly up the ranking. Political organizations often buy their own books to up the ranking.
Originally, I had written about how I was enjoying Atlas Shrugged. But 600 pages later, I had to abandon it. I made it almost to page 800, and it became too laborious. It had become cumbersome about 400 pages earlier, but I wasn’t completely turned off, but now it’s too much. Her characters are so uninteresting and unhappy – she says they’re happy, but never describes them as happy. But mostly, it’s a boring story.
There were things that kept my interest early on. Some of her antagonists were familiar to me – the world is full of useless people harping on their needs, but these are mostly peers, none of them are truly needy. Also, the book is science fiction. It takes place hundreds of years in the future, as surmised to mention of technologies lost ‘generations’ ago, and the fact that every country except America is called People’s Republic of….. Also, there seems to be no threat of war. This setting makes the characters completely unrealistic behaviors and unfamiliar tropes seem part of this future world, but she really goes lord knows where with the story.
Rand seems to think need is amorphous, as though someone can ‘need’ a yacht, but I think basic needs are fairly obvious – food, shelter, safety, healthcare. I think that’s about it. A moral society can see to it that those things are available without crippling everyone. Beyond that, she seems to paint a picture that if people were all purposeful in their activities, there would be plenty to go around for everyone. In her utopia, basic goods are exceedingly inexpensive.
Someone on TAB’s blog said her followers often have a ‘piss off’ attitude towards people who are unable to take care of themselves. But Rand does mention them with pity. It’s people who are unwilling to take care of themselves who she opposes.
I'm familiar with what her followers believe, and frankly, I'm fascinated. Because, they apparently didn't read the same book I was (quit today approaching 800 pages). For example Alan Greenspan was noted as a big fan of hers. Yet, the Utopian society touched on in Atlas Shrugged ran on the gold standard. Greenspan was the head of the Federal Reserve. the Fed is the organization that the use of the gold standard was meant to criticize. He would be analagous to Robert Stadler, the physics professor who was hated by the heros of atlas shrugged (They often 'shudder' at the thought of him. ) Stadler was hated because he used his genius for a government agency rather than the private sector. Greenspan's life was dedicated to supporting an organization that was contrary to Rand's philosophy as well.
Homelessness and basic needs are clearly used as a scourge in Atlas Shrugged to illustrate how government regulations hurt society - To illustrate the greatness of free markets, she uses common social problems as examples of how the world is hurt when free markets are constricted. If one could morally say 'piss off, too bad' to people living in dilapidated or subhuman conditions the book wouldn't make any sense.
Rand barely mentions truly needy individuals, instead, focusing on manipulatively 'needy' individuals - "I 'need' price controls so my business can compete". Those are the bad guys, and their actions make life worse for the truly needy. For example, without electricity to power a town, there would be no hospitals. Most homeless guys in the book are former workers who lost their jobs when the industrialists were squeezed out.
As a reality check, all the great industrialists, J. Paul Getty, Henry Ford, et. al - the real life versions of the characters in Atlas Shrugged - used their fortunes as the engines of the country's largest philanthropic foundations, which exist to provide funds for non-market entities.
I'm not even defending her philosophy, just clarifying it because, it does seem as though Randites preach evil in her name. It is forcing people to help you in the name of 'helping others' that she objects to, not helping others on one's own. Idle chatter and purposeless behaviors are what she opposes, not trying to survive.
11 Comments:
" It’s people who are unwilling to take care of themselves who she opposes."
Yes, and who gets to determine which people are unwilling and which seem that way because of some illness or crippling problem we don't understand?? Does Rand decide??
5:45 AM, May 10, 2008
I don't know. In the first 800 pages of Atlas Shrugged, she only passes judgement on people who anyone would agree are able bodied. I haven't read beyond that.
Do you think the cigar chomping corporate beauracrats who make backroom deals with sleazy government officials from Atlas Shrugges have some sort of illness or crippling problem that justifies their using force to wrest away their competition's patents in order to help them force consumers to pay for their own inferior products and services?
6:54 AM, May 10, 2008
to answer your question, from my own observations, representatives of the AMA determines who's eligible for covered medical treatment, perscriptions etc. ACS determines which children are eligible for foster care. There is a finite amount of people in any sort of gray area.
Grantmakers decide who gets private grant money. Private citizens determine if they think a program solves a problem in a way they support or not. To name a few. Rand's representatives do indeed decide who gets gratis copies of their books.
I've worked in Social Services of various sorts, and never encountered a client who was questionable in their qualifications for those services.
The real question came from whether they could make their own decisions or should have their rights to self determination removed (such as involuntary committment, or foster care).
Your and Rand's question is actually pretty harmful, because it makes it look like nobody can make a medical diagnoses or accurately assess the safety of a situation.
If on the one hand you have mentally ill patients roaming the streets, and on the other, you have healthy people unable to leave a mental health facility and forced to take drugs, who is to say which is the greater evil? I'm not going to touch that one. But that's no excuse not to make decisions about how things need to operate on either side of that amorphous area.
Atlas Shrugged talks about one side of the amorphous area. If you're interested in the other side, might I recommend Orphans of the Living by Jennifer Toth which is a series of profiles of foster children.
One million little pieces also speaks about the other side of that equation, but god does that book suck!
7:19 AM, May 10, 2008
No, I wasn't asking a harmful question, because my belief is that there ARE government systems (like the ones you mentioned) that, with facts and research, can attempt to make that determination. Unfortunately, Randists (at least the ones I've met) want hardy any government and they also just believe everyone has the same chances to make it in life. They don't give a crap about others or about putting a system in place to help others. Maybe they just take away the parts of her philosophy they like, and ignore the rest. Not surprising...people do that with the Bible too.
7:56 PM, May 10, 2008
Ayn Rand aside, if your goal is for "government" and not for "free market forces" to help. As opposed to help people by the best means possible, government, free market, or otherwise, then you're as guilty of preposterousity as they are.
It's not 'government' research that helps, it's scientific research - government or free market, which I also mentioned - that helps.
She has trouble defining need: Here is a suggestion. Nathienial Branden, who Atlas Shrugged is dedicated to, wrote a book called "The Six Pillars of Self Esteem" Self Exteem is the third level on Maslow's heirarchy of needs scale. Anything below that - health and safety needs - is a need. Anything else, like needing a new Yacht (the example the guy from John Galt's factory on Atlas Shrugged used as why the concept need is so confusing) is not.
6:26 AM, May 11, 2008
"Ayn Rand aside, if your goal is for "government" and not for "free market forces" to help. As opposed to help people by the best means possible, government, free market, or otherwise, then you're as guilty of preposterousity as they are."
Not sure exactly what that first sentence means, but I am making a determination that government is usually (not always) a much better way to help a certain type of people than the free market. The free market is governed more by Darwinism. People with any sort of problem obviously will not survive.
5:46 PM, May 12, 2008
How are you making that determination? Nobody who has worked both in a government run agency and a private agency with the same focus would make such a claim. Program efficacy isn't determined by ideology, it's determined by measurement. If a higher tax rate slows down the growth of stocks, the foundations that fund social programs donate less to those programs. If commodity prices go up, they go up for both private and public social service or medical facilities, thus allowing for fewer services to be provided.
When you want something done, you should choose the most effective method - determined by quantifying and measuring objectives.
By the way, Rand doesn't say everyone has equal chances. Her antagonists and heros are all children of privelege. There are no 'needy' people in her story, except for the faceless everyman who suffers as the world turns to a standstill.
Someone who squanders, rather than increases his or her good fortune, is the prototypical 'bad guy' in the story. People who dedicate themselves to technological advancement are applauded. In Atlas Shrugged, lazy privleged people are the cause of all the worlds problems, not people who are really struggling. She doesn't give the struggling people faces, but as I've said, they're part of the story.
And after three days of conversation, don't I deserve a name?
7:44 PM, May 12, 2008
To be sure: I'm not sure what that sentence means either!
But to clarify - I'm saying there is a balence, not that free markets are always better. It's usually a mixture, but, a knee jerk reaction in favor of a government intervention. Many government posts are filled by patronage, rather than merit - FEMA, for example.
Contract agencies which have to compete with each other for government funds give better services than agencies that are run directly by the government. That's most of the time.
There is a place down the street from me where people donate clothes, and get a tax write off for it. The food bank in Mahwah is completely sustained by donations.
Things that are run by government include: The postinvasion occupation of Iraq (It was an individual in conjunction with a private company, The New Yorker, that outed the Abu Ghraib abuse), and FEMA's response to hurricane Katrina. The American Red Cross helps disaster victims every day, on privately donated funds.
8:07 PM, May 12, 2008
Just because some branches of the govt aren't working the way they should, doesn't mean govt is a bad thing. If someone is suffering, they might not know how to get to the right services to help them, but if they are run by govt, they are all over. There is plenty of mismanagement and patronage in private companies too. The upshot is, you need more objective (objectivists should like this) criteria to help people, and a government would do that better than one person with an axe to grind. Ayn Rand's book implies that she doesn't approve of cheating, yet she had a full-fledged affair with her younger male married student. She may justify this in some way (I'm sure she can find ways to do so) but it was also hurtful to both spouses and surely something she would have eschewed had not she fallen victim. She is a hypocrite and she is fallible, so she should understand that there are shades of gray in other people's lives too, and she is no seer or saint.
9:36 AM, May 13, 2008
I'm not saying government is a bad thing. I'm saying sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
I disagree - governing by comittee never makes for better governance. An individual allows for accountability, a group allows for passing the buck, and generalizing meanings. I've worked for companies where the owner claims it's a horizontal management structure. That never works. And it's never true. It allows people with misguided ideas to circumvent more experienced people who have tried them before, with predictable results.
In Atlas Shrugged, the two leads have an affair - one married man and a single woman, so she wouldn't have eschewed it.
I'm fairly certian her affair was consentual. In fact, there is an anecdote that Rand was allocated an hour a week (or some period of time) allowed by the wife. Once, the wife called her husband during that period and Rand hung up on her because she was breaking the agreement.
Anyway. Rand is simplified. She's trying to make points without confounding variables - it's not uncommon in philosophy to do that, to create clarity when possible. She is against corporate mismanagement and patronage as well, as illustrated in the book.
One difference between government and business is that without delivering results, the business will cease to operate, while the government only needs to look like it's getting results or convince the population that they wanted different results.
To be sure - I'm not actually an opponent of big government. I think the government must use the forces of markets to plan. For example in city planning the board can use past consumer patterns to create zones - as opposed to arbitrarily determining what 'should' be there becuase 'it's unfair that that didn't exist in the past'. The second case is likely to lead to economic problems, while the first is likely to avoid them.
In fact, I believe that the largeness and slowness of governement is it's saving grace. It's inefficiency protects any individual force from becoming too strong. Inefficiency plus competitive turnover.
I don't actually know anyone else who thinks that buracracy is a good thing.
Also to be sure, She supports competition. A person with an axe to grind is subject to any number of factors trying to stop him or her. And this is KEY= the heroes in Atlas Shrugged are ONLY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY BENEFIT A GREAT NUMBER OF OTHERS.
They also don't do it for the sole purpose of gaining money (speaking to the point about journalism above). In the Fountainhead, if memory serves correctly, Archetect Howard Roark spent a stint happily working in a quarry because he wouldn't compromise his principles, choosing to be a part of what he believed in for no profit, rather than chasing profit while abandoning his principles.
But he is, and is meant to be, an ideal person, not a real person. The people I know who have purpose don't kick homeless dogs and spend hours bickering about nonsense (like a typical Randian seems to), they pursue their passion with diligence, and otherwise are generous - they don't over-hoard things that don't serve their purpose, and have the ability to let go of more, and be more tolerant.
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